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TRUE FATHER’S AND TRUE MOTHER’S DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

これは前回の「A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE PROVIDENCE」に続くものです。
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”TRUE FATHER’S AND TRUE MOTHER’S DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ”

1. History of Christianity and human history

TM:
・The two thousand years of history was one of searching for the only begotten daughter of God.
  TM’s speech July 1st, 2014

・ The True Mother, sitting before you today, am the only begotten daughter of God born after six thousand years!...Heaven has   been guiding providential history for six thousand years through the Han (Korean) race.
   TM’s speech July 1st, 2014

TF:
・ Through two thousand years of Christianity God made the Second Advent of the Lord possible…
   CSG page 1179 (English)

・ God founded the nation of Israel and Judaism so that they could receive the Messiah. The Messiah is the True Parent. God    created Christianity and the Christian culture to receive the Lord and the Second coming. The returning Lord is the True
  Parent who comes as the third Adam.
  TF’s speech 5th December, 1971 vol. 51 page 354, CSG page 190 (English)

・ The official name of Rev. Moon, the name that God established is True Parent, True Parent.
  TF’s speech November 1st, 1996,  vol. 280, page 77

・ God proclaimed that Rev. Moon is Savior and next He said Rev. Moon is Messiah, Second Lord and True Parent.
  God’s Peace  Messages page 731

・ The six thousand years of history was history to search one Adam. That’s why you should follow me. If Adam and Eve do not  appear God cannot fulfill creation.
   TF’s speech, vol. 29, page 267


2. The only begotten daughter without original sin and changing blood lineage

TM:
・ Israel race went indemnity providence during 4000 years and then Jesus was born. I was born such a position that’s why I do   not have original sin. You have to understand this.
  TM, elder’s meeting, February 24th, 2016

・ The process of changing the lineage occurred while I was in my mother’s womb.
  TM’s speech July 1st, 2014




・ I am the Only Begotten Daughter born with pure blood and without original sin by reversing the bloodline from the womb of the  three greatest single mother lines. But True Father was born WITH original sin. I was born as an only daughter, but True Fathe  r has several brothers. If True Father was born without original sin, then his brothers would also have no original sin. Therefor  e, True Father was NOT born without original sin.    Dec. 25, 2016

・ True Father who was born WITH original sin met the Only Begotten Daughter born without sin on the earth, and he was cleans  ed of original sin by the Only Begotten Daughter. Therefore, Father should NOT have married another woman until he met     me!    Dec. 30, 2016

TF:
・ Jesus, who was born from Mary’s womb, changed blood lineage in satanic world. After changing blood lineage he could be      born. The bride who supposed to be Jesus’ wife did not go the process of the history of changing blood lineage.            God’s peace message, page 1592

・ Jesus was called “the Only Begotten Son.” This is an amazing word. He attended God as his Father, and said, “I am the Only   Begotten Son.” The Only Begotten Son is a first son of first love. God’s hidden love is his root and everything should       become the fruit which is connected to him. Although Jesus was the Only Begotten Son, was there the Only Begotten      Daughter who was supposed to be his object partner? History of salvation is [history of] restoration. Where is the Only       Begotten Daughter? She is a fallen woman. A fallen woman.                                            Sermons of Rev. Moon, Vol. 394, pp. 35~36, “Absolute faith, love, obedience and a path for  glorious establishment of        fatherland,” Oct. 6, 2002

・ Mother was born from fallen lineage.
 TF spoke on October 1st, 2003

・ Do you think Omoni was born as a queen, born as wife of Second Lord. Please tell me. She was born with fallen lineage.
  TF’s speech, vol. 461, page 26, July 19th, 2004


・ You say that you received the fallen lineage because Adam and Eve fell, and True Father’s lineage is also the fallen lineage.   You should never say that kind of words. If Rev. Moon inherited the fallen lineage, how could he know the secret of heaven?    If so, restoration can never be realized. 
    Sun Myung Moon, “The realm of the archangel’s ownership”, Oct. 3, 2009

・ It’s been said whether True Father received fallen lineage or pure lineage. How dare you say like that? Adam & Eve fell at the  age of 16. So, without purifying the representative lineage through 6000 years of history and standing in the position of Adam   before the Fall with the responsibility of historical representative (a representative of formation stage, a representative of     growth stage and a representative of completion stage), how can God’s lineage be connected?”
   Sermons of Rev. Moon, Vol. 608, p.303, “This is time to complete everything,” Feb. 28, 2009


・ How could Mother be the wife of God? You don’t know how audacious Mother is. She operates according to her own rules     and principles. If she enters the realm of heavenly law, she can be immediately exposed in many situations. Without knowing,    she lives as she pleases. I am carrying the weight of responsibility to protect her by creating a shield so that she will not be   caught there between the formation stage of her development forward to the national liberation level. That shield is not     the same level and unless it is provided by True Father, she cannot be protected.

 어머님이 어떻게 하나님의 부인의 자리에 나가나? How could Mother go to the position of the wife of God? As a fallen      woman, how could she go to the True Parent’s wife’s position? She has not reached the position of true servant and would   be hunted. How could you catch such a person and put her in the position of God’s wife? What could be more absurd?”

 말씀선집 614 권 28p. '가인 아벨의 전략' 2009.7.12 천정원) The Sermons of The Rev. Sun Myung Moon: Vol. 614, p. 28. 'The   Strategy of Cain and Abel', July 12, 2009, Cheon Jeong Won)

・ “The Only Begotten Son was born on the earth, God’s eldest son was born, but the Begotten Daughter is not. Why? Because  Eve fell, he has to look her from satanic world, because Adam could not fulfil his responsibility.
   ”Fathers speech vol. 348 page 55, July 6,2001.


・ “Originally Adam was created first and then Eve. In the same way man has to be born first not Begotten Daughter. First man   restores eldest son’s right, then becomes word of the Only Begotten Son. What about the Only Begotten Daughter. Jesus    has to create her.    ” Father’s speech vol. 519 page 304, March 7th, 2006.

・ “In order to enter Heaven, the Only Begotten Son was born. Because of fall, it is necessary for the Only Begotten Daughter    to be restored. What will be the Only Begotten Daughter. As God created Eve from Adam’s rib the Only Begotten Son has    to re-create her.      “Father’s speech vol. 482, page 275, January 14th, 2005

・ “When Messiah comes, God will let Messiah (perfect Adam, Jesus Christ) to restore Eve as a perfect bride. By doing this, first  family, which God lost in the garden of Eden, will be restored”.
   Father spoke on September 18th, 1974



3. Born to be Only Begotten Daughter and creation

TM:
・ The Only Begotten Daughter as God’s daughter must be born separated from satanic world. I, the True Mother, sitting before   you today, am the Only Begotten Daughter of God born after six thousand years! Until God sent his Only Begotten Son      among the people of Israel, the providential history had been one of selection. The process of changing blood lineage occurr   ed while I was in my mother’s womb. This is something you have to believe.
    TM, July 1st, 2014

TF:

・ If Adam did not fall and kept out Eve and said to Eve “this woman why did you break God’s law” then what would happen.    God  could create any amount of women like Eve. It is same thing just like trunk of tree is alive even if some branch died.     That’s why responsibility of Adam was very important. Adam must create Eve. Do you understand. That’s why Adam who     is coming must fulfill his responsibility before God to look for new woman bride from satanic world.
  TF’s speech vol. 66, page 135




4. Research of Hak Ja Han’s real fall

True Father’s selected books volumes 594-615 (22 books) were taken out and collected from members by FF as TM’s order in the middle of 2012, because there were inconvenient places for TM. Later they were republished again.

Here are some parts which are taken out just from volume 614. These are True Father’s words.


TF:
・ God needs Rev. Moon. God cannot be True Parent. How He can do it alone? Omoni does not exist. He has to create Omoni    again. I could not love Omoni until now as a wife even I’m 90 years old, because I have to create her once more. I’m educatin  g her. Now is left her 3 % responsibility. 3 %. She has to accomplish this 3 % in national and world level. It is not enough only    national level. She must do more than 100 % in order to go over the national level.
    Vol 614 page 35, July 2009.

・ Omoni does not have any position. She thinks she has Omoni’s position, but there is not. I have to recreate Omoni.
   Vol. 614, page 26, July 12th, 2009

・ Why mother stands position of God’s wife? As fallen lady, why she stands position of the wife of True Parent? Even she cann ot stand position of the wife of true servant. How is possible this person is wife of position of wife of God? Because we can    see such a behavior like a ghost 
   Vol. 614, page 28, July 12th, 2009

・ Omoni got fall, that’s why Omoni must restore herself.
  Vol. 614, page 141

This Father’s speech below, volume 318, was found already before.

・ At the end, Omoni will be problem. Omoni got fall. That’s why she will be out. That’s why we will go to father-son age. The    son can call after Omoni and Aboji can call after Omoni, too.
   Vol. 318, page 172, March 6th, 2000, Speech name “Restoration age of father-son support”





5. Testimony of True Mother’s childhood

TM:
・ When a monk walked on the street he saw mother’s mother and told “lady, is this child your daughter, even if you would have  10 boys then this daughter is more valuable, you have to educate her well. Then he said, when she is 16 she will get married”.   Isn’t it strange after that when she was about 10, somebody said. “The person who will become your husband will be elder,   but he is rich”. TM said, in those days TF was a refugee and worked hard, he was poor.
   From TM’s well known testimony

TF:
・ TM told to TF ”when I was about 6 years old a monk walked on the street and told to mother’s mother “don’t worry when    this girl become adult, she will get married with the king of the world, who control military, navy and air force.” So TM used to  be proud of it and she believed it, even she does not believe what I say.  
   TF’s speech 491, page 258, March 22, 2005 at East Garden


6. Does mother of the universe must be Han?

TM:
・ 1960th you have heard many stories about spiritual world through G.Sun-do grandmother. She said like this: “person who bec  ome mother of the universe must be Han”.
   TM February 24th, 2016, elders meeting

TF:
・ Through two thousand years of Christianity God made the Second Advent of the Lord possible. If, immediately after World War  II, I could have stood on the victorious foundation of Christianity and the United States based on the Christian cultural sphere,  would I have undergone hardships? If they had accepted me in those days, then who would have been Mother? If Sung-jin’s m other had been unable to take that position, who would have replaced her? It would have been a British woman. As seen from   God’s will, it would have been a woman from Great Britain. The British royal family would have made a connection with me.   Doesn’t that belong to the realm of Christian culture? Britain gave birth America. There was symbolic significance to        Korean president Rhee Sung-man (Syngman Rhee) marrying a western woman. Ultimately, due to the opposition from       Christianity, True Mother gained this blessing.
  Cheon Seong Gyeong page 1179 (English version), TF’s speech vol. 181, page217, October 3rd, 1988


・ Therefore, if Mother, who is present here, has [her] own thoughts and builds her own nest it will become a big problem. Rev.    Moon will not be tangled up in that. But if that inevitably happens, I will jump over that. I will build [a] mountain again. Now     we  entered the Completion Era and if Mother does not fulfil her responsibility, there are plenty of candidates.
   TF’s speech vol. 31 2, page 177


7. Does True Father have fallen lineage

TM:
・ TM said to TF,” but you’re born with fallen lineage, aren’t you”.
   March 15, 2015, Hyung Jin Nim’s testimony

・ I’m the Only Begotten daughter who was born in a pure lineage from the womb. My lineage was changed and cleansed of     original sin through three generations of only daughters. On the other hand, Father was born with original sin. Although I was   born as the only girl, Father had several brothers. If Father was born without original sin, those brothers also did not have    original sin. Therefore, it cannot be that Father was born without original sin.
  TM December 25, 2016, Cheon Jeong Peace Palace


TF:
・ You have to ask mother does she live her own way. She has to cross the 38 parallels. You have your own way, but I have my    own way. If you go like this it will separate even 1% or 0,1 some percent it will separate…

It’s been said “whether True Father received fallen lineage or pure lineage”. How dare you say like that? Adam & Eve fell at the age of 16. So, without purifying the representative lineage through 6000 years of history and standing in the position of Adam before the Fall with the responsibility of historical representative (a representative of formation stage, a representative of growth stage and a representative of completion stage), how can God’s lineage be connected? Sermons of Rev. Moon, Vol. 608, p.303, “This is time to complete everything,” Feb. 28, 2009

・ Those who say, “Father was born from the fallen lineage”… are crazy people. They don’t know Principle. I have nothing to do  with the fallen lineage since I was young. You should know that. Sermons of Rev. Moon, original version vol. 611, page 307-308  (These words were deleted from the collection of sermons by Mother’s direction)

・ Would God use me if I had original sin?...Can you decide whether I have original sin or not yourself? You are wasting your time.  Do you think I can do the work as a spiritual leader who is seeking to restore lineage without thinking about such things?
 Heaven has been teaching me since I was small. Do you think I didn’t ask whether my lineage was normal or not? Even thoug  h Heaven told me, you don’t need to ask, I asked and Heaven replied there was no need to ask.
  Sermons of Rev. Moon, original version vol. 608, page 276 (These words were deleted from the collection of sermons by       Mother’s direction)


8. Messiah and Second Lord

TM:
・ The moment Jesus appeared and Father succeeded Jesus’ work was the moment Father received the qualification of the Onl  y Begotten Son. Do you understand? You should know that.
  TM July 1st, 2014, Hon Dok Hae


・ When father was 16 he inherited the position the Only Begotten Son from Jesus. Everybody must know clearly about it. From  that moment Father did not become the Second Lord (Messiah).
  TM February 24th, 2016, elders meeting

・ "Nobody can do this work of giving blessing that change Satanic lineage to God's lineage. Only Dok-Seng-Nyu (OBD, Female   Jesus) can do it, confirmed as Dok-Seng-Nyu. No one else. Dok-Seng-Ja (The Only Begotten Son, Jesus) already came     2000 years ago. Father is just switched for the work that Jesus appeared and asked to him to take the work what Jesus      himself could not finish. Do you understand?

 For Heaven, starting point and end is same. There cannot be TWO Dok-Seng-Ja, One, There is Only One Dok-Seng-Ja,      (which means, Jesus is the only Dok-Seng-Ja, Father is, just the person who took the work of Jesus when Jesus appeared    him). but there have been no Dok-Seng-Nyu before. That's why I'm the One who can do all the work. Nobody can do this     work except me. You have to know that. Do you understand?"     9/12/2014


TF:
・ It is not to submit before Satan my essential blood lineage. This is the first time I’m telling you. You asked from me, is Jesus’  blood lineage better than my lineage, it is not questionable.
   God’s Peace messages page 835


・ God proclaimed that Rev. Moon is Savior and next He said Rev. Moon is Messiah, Second Lord and True Parent.
  God’s Peace messages page 731

・ Rev. Moon’s public official name which God established is True Parent.
   TF November 1st, 1996, vol. 280, page 77

・ The Messiah is the True Son of God.
   CSG (55-192, 1972.5.9)

・ The Messiah comes as a man. According to the Bible, Eve was made out of Adam’s rib, meaning after the pattern of Adam.    In the same manner, the Messiah was to have selected one woman from the fallen women of the world and recreate her as    the original Eve. Until such a day, no woman could be truly eligible to be married. That is why the Bible implies that all women   are being prepared for the position of a bride.
  TF, God’s will and the world, page 641

・ The Messiah is in the position of Adam who has perfected God’s love and thus he comes with the qualification of the original  father. Hence, based on the father who then chooses a mother…
   CSG (129-193, 1983.11.5)

・ God has sent one person to this earth to resolve the fundamental problems of human life and the universe. His name is Sun    Myung Moon.       Exposition of the Divine Principle, Introduction

・ I could accomplish all that I have done because I am the Messiah, the Savior.
  CSG (240-250, 1992.12.13)

・ They have declared to all Heaven and Earth that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity’s Savior, Messiah,   Returning Lord and True Parent. This resolution has been announced on every corner of the globe.” Rev. Sun Myung Moon,    “Declaring the Era of the Peace Kingdom Address to the United States Congress, March 23, 2004, the US Capitol,         Washington DC



9.Father’s perfection and fulfillment of God’s will

TM:
・ How Father could become King of Kings without me. How could he become True Parents without me. Only by me he got the   position of King of Kings and True Parents.
   TM September 30th, 2012, Special meeting

・ I have done it. I have finished history of indemnity restoration providence.
  TM August 15th, 2013, Hon Dok Hae

・ Who opened Foundation Day. True Father talked and prepared. But who opened finally.
  TM February 24th, 2016, Elders meeting


TF:
・ From now on Omoni should not think that “I do whatever I like. Without me Aboji cannot become perfect”. She should not     think such a stuff. Even I cannot say to God that God “I have done all connected in absolute value and that without me      don’t you have trouble and that’s why you have to follow me”. Such a thing how I can tell to God.
  TF, March 22nd 2005, vol. 491, page 247

・ Mother should become perfect by 16th of June 2013.
  11th May 2007, TF’s speech “Judgement by nature”.



10. Is True Mother educated by True Father

TM:
・ When I met with True Father first time, I knew already the restoration of providential history of indemnity. I did not study      Divine Principle, even though I knew.
    TM November 24th, 2012

・ No one educated me. You cannot say that the Only Begotten Son educated the Only Begotten Daughter.  
  TM October 27th, 2014



TF:
・ Because Adam lost Eve without fulfilling his responsibility in order for Adam to recreate her, he had to educate a 17 year old    girl, who does not know anything at all.
   TF, vol. 537, page 190-191

・ To speak what to speak the woman, who grows under my education then there is no problem. Husband is wonderful, woman is  wonderful. TM did not know about faith and principle.
  TF, vol.585 page 183-184

・ How difficult to educate a woman. Did I shed sweat of blood to educate TM or didn’t I. My eyes turned, nose stacked,
  mouth stacked, ears stacked, my hands became like stick and couldn’t open fingers even though I got endured until 65       years old. TF, vol. 498, page 130.

・ Based on logical level there is no gap, TM does not know. When TM knows, TM can be restored. She has to learn from TF.    TM has to have absolute faith, love and obedient.
  TF, vol. 393, page 318, October 8th, 2002

・ Does TM know principle, she does not know principle, she knows nothing. I have to educate her as I have role of husband.     Unification world, June, 2001 page 25

・ Concerning re-creation how to find out woman. Adam has to recreate her through him. God created Eve resembling Adam.    Therefore Only Begotten Son has to find Only Begotten Daughter and he has to educate her.
   TF, November 8th, 1981.

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Comments by Sho Sasaki



Korean Family Federation’s top elders had meeting November 2016 and they talked about the Only Begotten Son and Daughter, about which TM is talking.

True Father created the word “Only Begotten Daughter”. Father talked about the Only Begotten Son 1500 times and about the Only Begotten Daughter about 180 times in his speeches and Korean elders made definition about the Only Begotten Son and Daughter in their meeting:

As the result of this meeting they decided definition is: “The Only Begotten Son and Daughter have nothing to do with the original sin and they are the ones who received God’s love and can comfort God”.

This refers to the time before Adam and Eve fell. They don’t explain present problem why TF’s and TM’s understanding of having original sin is different, unfortunately.

As I have mentioned above Father said that before Eve fell, she was the Only Begotten Daughter (without original sin), but after the fall God sent the Messiah, who is the Only Begotten Son, who has to restore and re-create woman, who was born from fallen lineage with original sin from satanic world.

However, according to TM, “I was born without original sin as the Only Begotten Daughter, but TF was born with original sin. When TF met Jesus and received his mission, on that moment TF became Messiah and became the Only Begotten Son without sin”.

True Father who was born WITH original sin met the Only Begotten Daughter born without sin on the earth, and he was cleansed of original sin by the Only Begotten Daughter. Therefore, Father should NOT have married another woman until he met me! Dec. 30, 2016

How True Father understands True Mother.

According to TF’s viewpoint, TM was born with fallen lineage and original sin and has to be restored and re-created and perfected by Messiah. Then she becomes original Eve and True Mother and the Only Begotten Daughter.

Among TF’s speech concerning about the Only Begotten Daughter after the fall, there are no words that none of women was born without original sin.

But Father as Messiah clearly said that “Mother was born from fallen lineage” (TF’s speech October 1st,2003) and “Do you think Mother was born as a queen or wife of Second Lord. Please tell me. She was born with fallen lineage”. (TF’s speech vol. 461 page 26, July 19th, 2004).

Because of these two different understandings, it is the problem weather TM or TF was born with original sin or without original sin.

Furthermore TF is saying:

Father said May 11th, 2007 that mother has to perfect herself by June 16th, 2013, which means that mother was not yet perfected. Father and Mother did not have final stage of marriage.

According to father, mother made fall, as mentioned above, and father said August 3rd, 2012 at last Hon Dok Hae to mother and Peter Kim that they have to take responsible, because both of you destroyed providence.

Father said mother has not restore herself, so she has not become perfect, then based on this how we can say she is Messiah and the Only Begotten Daughter.

TM says: “My lineage was changed and cleansed of original sin through three generations of only daughters”. But in fact in TM’s mother’s testimony Soon-Ae Hong says that she has a brother, which contradicts TM’s saying.

The Path that True Mother has Followed Soon-Ae Hong (True Mother's Physical Mother – Original Dae Mo Nim) December 21, 1973 Headquarters of the Unification Church Tokyo, Japan

We came to Seoul for the first time in our lives. Fortunately, my younger brother was staying there as a soldier. Wondering how we could meet him, I offered prayer as soon as we arrived at the city. Then a friend of my younger brother happened to pass by on the street, and we were able to see my brother. We stayed with my brother in Seoul. Also physical father of mother has two sons.

Soon-Ae Hong continues her testimony: “Mother was born in a village named Sinli of Anju District in what is now called North Korea at 4:30 a.m. on January 6 (by lunar calendar), 1943, when I was 30 years old. Her physical father had been a disciple of Rev. Yong-Do Lee when he received a revelation which said, “Marry a daughter of a man named Yoo-il Hong. Her baby, if it is a boy, will become the king of the universe. If it is a girl, she will become the queen of the universe.” I met him at the end of February, and became pregnant at the end of March. In my family lineage, there are seven generations which performed meritorious deeds. Three generations of the seven had only one daughter respectively. I had a younger brother. But he was studying in Japan, and it was not certain whether he would ever come back to his house. So, my parents wanted Mr. [Seung-woon] Han (Mother’s father) to be adopted into my family. But, as he was very independent-minded, he rejected the offer and left me. It was when I was seven months pregnant. He did not come back to me even after the baby was born because my parents did not want to give up the baby to him”.

Soon-ae Hong was only ever married to Mr Han six years after her own death. Mr Han was married to someone else, and his wife and other children are not shown on this family tree. Mr Han had at least two sons, Wee-il and Wee-yong. They are half- brothers to Hak Ja Han.”

Also TM says, she has been cleansed from original sin, because she has 3 generations of strong Christian ancestors. In Christian world there must be countless generations of Christian tribes even more that 3 generations, but they still have original sin.

She is praising Han tribe, but there is one serious incident concerning her own mother SoonAe Hong.

“There was even an incident that occurred in 1957. An old woman, Jae-geon Kim, and Soon- mother of Hak Ja Han who is currently the wife of Sun Myung Moon were released after a two year sentence in Chuncheon Prison. The two women had been charged with beating a mentally-ill boy to death during an Ansu session. He was about 18 years old. They had guaranteed that they could cure the mental abnormality with their divine powers.”

Because of this all the early Korean members know about this death, and thus have never respected Soon-ae Hong.

Is TM inventing myths?

TF says “ Do not brag about Anju (Mother’s hometown) and the family name Han. If you do that you don’t become True Mother”. 2012. 1. 19, Hon Dok Hae

Personally I do not understand why Family Federation does not concern all these True Father’s words, but rather adopt a complete new theology invented by TM.

Based on this we have to understand clearly are TF and TM united?

In my essay “A Brief history of the providence from March 1990 until March 2015” there are several videos of TF and TM concerning all above topics. Please watch them as well as this moving video under, TF “I could not meet my bride” July 3rd, 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXuPcDjwTA0



Sho Sasaki, 8th February, 2018


As a reference in order to make this essay I used notes from Mark Alexander, Pierre Tardy, Shabondama blog, Sandai Oken blog and others. I thank and appraise them. This essay is not complete and I’m grateful if someone wants to add in it. I wish you can spread and translate this at any language.




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